Smash Grip (how to hold grip from stage 1,2 and 3) Hello all badminton lovers I am very pleased to see the discussions on smash grip. There is just oe thing which is not accuriatly discribed about my way of smash grip I quote following: "I also asked him, specifically, whether you should hold the racket loosely and then snap it forward for more power (i.e., whether you should use finger power for a smash). His answer was an unequivocal "no": hold the racket tightly for the whole stroke". I remember this discussion and also I remember that I said "no" Grip gently and grp hard at the impact is not efficiant way also grip hard from beginning and hit is not efficiant way. I think there are three stage of grip in most of stroke 1. Stage 1-nutral grip before my oppornent make ashot, in this time grip should be hold grip power 2. (1-10, 1 is very gentle and 10 is hardest grip) As I have to change grip depending on my oppornent's angle of shot. 2. Stage 2-preparing grip for the shot If my oppornent lift and I decided to take it by forehand so I can do drop, clear and smash. At this moment the grip should be hold power 4-5. Why? if a player hold power 1 at his moment, then it will take more time to change to power 10 grip. There will me more room for making lose shot also if a player hold power 10 at this time then there will be to much power so the stroke will not be shape and lose power and make more mistake. 3. Stage 3-impact grip If I do smash my grip power will be 10, if I do drop shot then my grip power will be power 7-8 if I do clear then the grip power will be 8-9 If a player make a smash from grip power 1 and then grip power 10. he/she mush feel pushing and lose control, if player make a smash from power 10 to power 10 then lose power, control and can feel shoulder or wrist be hurting. When I said "NO" is power 1 to power 10 grip and it does not mean power 10 to power 10 is right. If you try this you will be able to feel what I mean. Thank you and I am very happy to see very developing discussion. Lee Jae Bok
WOW !!! Welcome to BadmintonForum, Lee Jae Bok! It's really awesome of you to take the time to read and post on this forum, and extra to provide online coaching. Many thanks! -dave
Smash Grip - how to hold and what's important Hello badminton lovers. I am Lee Jae Bok and I would like to put my view forward clearly about the smash grip. 1. Changing grip 10% degree for smash Make shot infront of my body will give power, deception, view for oppornent and oppornent court and accuricy. Nutural grip will not alow a player make shot infront of body and there are more room for slice the smash. Many top players are changing grip in this way but 80-90% of players do not know there are doing it. If you look high level players soon you can find them. Ask them if he/she change grip then they will say no. 2. Power of grip In most of stroke, there are three stages in grips in making smash (1) stage 1 - waiting grip(nutural grip) Before my oppornent make shot, my grip power will be about power 2 (grip power 1 is most light grip and grip power 10 is hardest grip) why? depending on oppornent's angle of shot I have to change my grip. At this moment if I have grip power 1 or grip power 10 then it will be very difficult to change grip fast. (2) stage 2 - preparing grip If my oppornent lift and I am taking it by my forhand, my arm and racket is up and ready to make the shot. At this moment I can do clear, drop or smash. At this moment my grip power will be power 4. why? If I hold grip power 1 or 2 at this moment and then grip power 10 for the impact of smash, it will take about let say 0.4 seconds. If I have grip power 4-5 at this moment and change to grip power 10 then it will take about 0.2 seconds. If I hold power 10 at this moment and make impact power 10 then my shoulder, arm and wrist will have too much tension so it is nearly not possible to make shape shot, strong and accuriate shots I am saying that grip power 1 or 2 and then make smash will not be affective nor grip power 10 and then make smash also not good either. People think that lose grip and then hit will generate power but not in real practice also it is very much depending on how lose grip! stage 3 - hitting(impact grip) grip At this moment, if I do power smash then my grip power will be power 10, if I do drop shot(depending on what kind of drop) then my grip power may be power 6-7, if I do clear then my grip power will be 8-9. Just imagine that deceptive flick net lift. My racket will be like net shot to my oppornent and I have to waite until the shuttle cocks come near my racket. If my grip power is power 1-2 and then make very shape flick the shuttle cocks will be pushed as I said it will take o.4 seconds but if I have grip power 3-4 and then make the shot it will take 0.1-2 seconds. My Conculusion very lose grip and then make smash is not efficient nor hard grip and make smash also not efficient too. There must be three different grip power in making a shot. stage 1 Nutural grip power 2 stage 2 preparing grip power 4 (different little bit depending on where you are make the shot) stage 3 impact grip power 10(if you do power smash) I would like to ask you to test it on court. I am sure you will be able to feel it. If anybody wpuld like to discuss above futher you can send question here or you can send e-amil to me. I am very happy to take part in this discussion. Thank you Lee Jae Bok.
Thank you very much for welcomming me Thank you If I could contribute something, I wold be very happy as I love badminton. Lee
Whoa! The legendary Lee Jae Bok in this forum? I should involve myself in this thread just so i can tell my friends that i was able to discuss badminton with Lee Jae Bok Hi Lee, I watched some of your videos in ibbs.tv, and i make my son (who's like me addicted to badminton at age 9) watch them every so often. Back to the grip issue. I'm currently at ease with the so called "kwun's grip" but i will try LJB's grip so i can compare.
Hello Lee! It's great to see you here at BadmintonCentral. I am sure everyone here will be fascinated to discuss badminton with you. I expect you will receive many questions from badminton players eager to learn your ideas. Thank you for taking the time to help us understand this smash technique, and welcome to BadmintonCentral!
Annyonghaseyo Lee! We are all indebted to you for bringing to light many world class techniques that many of us had never heard anywhere else. Many of us have learned so much from your ground-breaking Play to Win video as well as your excellent newer video clips at the www.IBBS.tv web site . I've got to ask, if you don't mind... what is the significance of 707 in ljb707? Many of us had never heard of the finger power technique until you mentioned it in Play to Win. I developed some fairly good 'finger power' of my own from repeated viewing of your video. However, I've never been sure that my implementation of the technique was quite the same as your technique... I still find it very difficult to believe my eyes when I see how fast the shuttle goes with such a very small movement on your 'finger power' net kill. Perhaps you could provide us with a little insight on finger power... how do you perform that very quick net kill with such a tiny movement of the racket? Are you using a squeeze technique? Loose grip to start the action? Do you grip the racket in the fingers or more in the palm of your hand? Any other insights on this technique that you could provide would be greatly appreciated. (Kamsa-hamnida) ~SystemicAnomaly
Lee, Great to see you took my advice and joined in on the discussion. I feel i speak for all of us when i say welcome to badminton forum, and we all hpe to learn from you. Matt
Hello Lee Jae Bok, again, welcome to badmintoncentral. Being an analytical person, you have described the gripping technique very clearly as gripping is the least understood technique in badminton - mainly because it is hard to see, and the process time involved are very short in duration. Even most good players using the proper gripping technique can't describe this process into steps. I think knowing when and how to use the 3 variant grips (conventional, LJB, panhandle) would give a player more choice and flexibility of shots. Just like Bruce Lee, one can't say he is a kung fu, wang chung, boxing, karate, judo, bushido, tae kwun do, jeet kun doe, etc master as i'm sure he practice all techniques from each martial art discipline. To use your numbering system (1- 10, 1 weak smash, 10 hardest smash), here is my beliefs on the smashing stroke 1. conventional - give the widest range of smash power (1-7.5) but not the most powerful, in return the accuracy is high (7-10) 2. LJB - personally i haven't try this one enough to conclude as i only heard this grip from this thread recently. My estimate the of power rating favors the range of 6-9, and accuracy 5-8.5. 3. panhandle - i heard some pros do use this technique. I think it's for blinding brute smash with power range (7-10) and poor accuracy (2-6). Generally one aim for the center court or an opposing player. Dont bother aiming the tram line with this technique. My definition of smashing accuracy is on demand target location selection, not by luck, +/- 3 inch of target spot. So in theory, with training, LJB represent a happy medium for most smashing need. However, one should also learn the conventional grip too as the conventional grip is more commonly used in other strokes beside smashing. Cooler
Welcome indeed, I too follow the videos on the ibbs.tv, and though most of the people discussing things here are veterans and really experienced players, I must say that the "LJB" method of hitting really helped me, as a beginner. As to the grip itself, I have noticed that the perpendicularity of the shots does increase the power. Not to mention that you can tell the difference with the contact sound, and since I use feather birds, you can actually tell when doing smash drills that they last longer.
Welcome LJB, (Getting more and more pros in this fourm ) I just tried out the LJB grip yesterday and found that my smashes were indeed much faster. I thought that I would loose accuacy, but when I did not rotate my shoulders too much, I had the accuracy. :s I also used the different grip stages and I feel that the 2nd stage is very hard to get used to as I usually skip from a loose grip(1) to a hard grip(2) and my hands indeed tense up. I feel that the LJB grip is something that would be usefull to aquire, but I had a lot of trouble doing a sliced crosscourt smash with it. P.S. Thank you LJB for answering my footwork question on ibbs.tv
Thank you so much everybody for welcomming me Thank you so much for wellcomming me. I do hope to be beneficial to the members of this forum. As I am travelling at the moment I will answer to you question in a couple of days. Thank you everyone. Lee
Hello kontrabando I am very pleased to meet you in this forum too. Thank you for enjoying my training video and I hope you find the new grip beneficial to you. One thing about the grip I forgot to mention is this: Before make a shot most of hand area(five fingers and parm) should be touched to grip is better then touching only some part of hand area. It is because of as much as you feel the grip by your hand you have more feeling and control in making a shot. Thank you and please say hello to your son nfor me See you again. Lee
Hello Gollum Thank you Gollum nand I am pleased meet you too. As no body is perfect, we can all exchange our ideas. I am very happy to share my experience with badminton lovers in this excellent forum. Thank you for warm welcome. Lee
Hello SystemicAnomaly Hello SystemicAnomaly I am very pleased to meet you and thank you for your warm welcome to this forum. Also I am very surpriced to see excellent Korean in Badminton central. Thank you for your effort. For finger power, Finger power is normally used when a player need to make very fast, shape and short action such as net kill, deceptive net lift, smash defence and drive. The power is generated by very fast squeezing finger movement. In thesedays badminton this finger power is very important as it generate speed as well as deceptions. Also finger power is very important in all other strokes such as smash, backhand clear and so on. In order to make strong shot, a player must be able to hold racket very hard. If a player has not got the finger power he can not hold racket hard then how can he make strong smash or strong backhand clear. When I was age 12, I did about 300-500 finger power actions with racket cover on. The way to do it I need to explain in action. Wrong training with racket cover on is very dangerous. I hope we all together have good discussions. Thank you. Lee
Hello Cooler Hello Cooler It is very nice to meet you. Thank you for your reply, would you please alow me a little time to answer your reply as I need answer in detail. I will come back to you in a couple of days. See you soon. Thank you Lee
Hello Jinryu I am very pleased meet you here and also pleased know that you find something useful for your badminton. I hope to be able to give you more beneficial information to you in the future. Thank you. Lee
