Smash grip: "LJB" Vs. "Finger power"

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  1. ljb707

    ljb707 Regular Member

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    Hello Ploppers

    Thank you for trying the methods and I am pleased know some of it has been useful

    P.S. Thank you LJB for answering my footwork question on ibbs.tv[/QUOTE]


    You are welcome it is my job to do.

    Thank you.

    Lee
     
  2. HLHHH

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    forgot where I get this from but I thought i would like to share it with your guys.
    advance players = play with fingers
    Intermediate players = play with wrist
    Beginners = play with arms
     
  3. Furqan

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    Hi, Lee Jae Bok, I have one thing to ask. First of all, I have not seen your play to win video, I do not know where can I get it from, I would appreciate it if anyone can let me know. Now the thing is that I have no idea about the finger power you are talking about. Can you explain it to me fully? Or perhaps is there any free to download video which demonstrates this skill. It is quite interesting to know. Secondly, how is wrong training dangerous, I mean, what effects can it have on one's self? You said you need to demonstrate that in action, you are planning to get some video of you doing it made? Or you already have some video of it available?

    I am ashamed of myself, asking such questions, as I have not heard much about these things like finger power before.
     
  4. Matt Ross

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    Furqan,

    Look at www.ibbs.tv, there is one there about net kills. Sign up and look for the various videos and find net kills to see finger power in action.
     
  5. Gollum

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    You can now order the "Play to Win" video from www.ibbs.tv . It's in the "end of range sale".

    I guess that wrong training can be dangerous because it could cause an injury. Wrong training for finger, wrist and forearm movements with the racket cover on could lead to repetitive strain injury in these areas. This applies to many repetitive movements.
     
  6. sydney1128

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    Gollum, where's that 'End of Range Sale'?? Doesn't seem to be able to locate. Can u copy the link and paste it here? Many thanks....



     
  7. Gollum

    Gollum Regular Member

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    No, I can't copy the link, because it is a javascript pop-up window. Anyway, it's the first news item at the moment.
     
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    I realise it's actually located in the home page.... :D
    Thanks Gollum....


     
  9. Furqan

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    Oh well, just checked the play to win video information, it says it is on VHs, what is VHS? something related to be viewed on a VCR? I don't have that.
    And is it only for UK? or that UK thing is only for Shoes there.
     
  10. Gollum

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    VHS is a standard video tape. A VCR is a video recorder (player). If you don't have a video player (VCR), then there's not much point buying videos ;)

    Read the terms on Lee's website. It says that you can discuss international shipping with him and agree a price. If you pay him enough money, I am sure he will send you the video :D
     
  11. ljb707

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    Hello HLHHH

    Hello I am Lee

    I remember I said it some training course some where but I am not sure where and when.

    I would like to give you another:

    Beginners = only see shuttle cocks when they make a shot
    Intermediate players = see shuttle cock as well as oppornent court and oppornent when they make a shot
    advance players = see shuttle cock as well as oppornent court, oppornent and oppornent's mind when they make a shot

    It is therefore taking shuttle cock infront of body is so importent. Another way to say this is:

    There is vase(I am not sure the spelling, I mean the thing for flower), window and a person outside window. Player must be able to see or feel all three things together. Normally beginners only see vase, intermediate see the vase and window but advanced player will be able to see all.

    Thank you.


    Lee

     
  12. ljb707

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    Hello Furqan

    Thank you for your interest in finger power skill.

    I think it would be better you see the play to win video tape and then discuss the skill again.

    The one I have is UK system. There are two different system one is "PAL" another is "NTSC" PAL is for UK and other European countries. the other one is for USA, KOREA and so on. If your country system is using PAL then it is ok to buy. You can buy it from www.libauk.com you can also discuss futher with the webmaster. Or you can see it in www.ibbs.tv

    The key meaning of the finger power is hitting shuttle cocks with just finger power no wrist or arm action. It can be done in ney kill, smash defence, flick net shot and some drive shot. It is also very deceptive.

    Thank you.

    Lee


    Thank you,

     
  13. SystemicAnomaly

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    Hello Lee,

    I wanted to thank you again for your reply to my finger power query as well as providing your great insight for other questions posed in this forum.


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    ~SystemicAnomaly (aka Greg R)
     
  14. Gollum

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    Just a note for those who try the "LJB" grip:

    I have found that I often lapse into exaggerating this grip. So I intend to use the 10-15 degrees LJB grip, but I end up using a panhandle (almost 90 degrees). This causes my shots to be, frankly, rubbish :D

    So while you are practising, remember to keep checking that you don't exaggerate the grip too much. It is only a slight change from the "ordinary" forehand.
     
  15. SystemicAnomaly

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    As I recall, LJB says 10 degrees. However, upon viewing his video, it looks as if it could actually be as much as a 15 to 20 degree change from his neutral grip. To be on the safe side, it is probably best to think of it as a slight 10-15 degree change as you have suggested.
     
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    Yes - I too thought that the grip change looked greater than 10 degrees.

    It certainly isn't as much as 90 degrees (= panhandle).
     
  17. Konnichiwa

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    Hi Lee, I am a competitive player in the United States. After reading about your smash grip I noticed that I myself already did it this way to generate more power. I was wondering though, about the grip size, what would you say should be the ideal grip size for your hand? Should it be a bit large so you can grip it? Or should it be small so that you can use finger power,

    Thank you
     
  18. ljb707

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    Hello Konnichiwa

    Thank you for your question. Before I answer your question I would like to mention that many people do change grip for their smash but also many time the player do not know they do it.

    For me most fustrating thing is to meet a top player teach junior or beginer not to change grip and he/she is changing grip when he/she make smash.

    To answer your question, big grip is good for power but not good for performing detailed skills. Small grip is good for performing detailed skills but not good for using power. This is what I use and I also believe good for player.
    Let say big grip is size 10 and small grip is size 1 and middle grip is size 5. I believe size 6-7 would be good as you can use power and still not much problem to make detailed skills

    Thank you and I hope it give you some good thing to your badminton.

    I hope to discuss some other things again with you in the future


    Lee

     
  19. Gollum

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    Lee,

    At one of your coaching courses, I asked you to check the size of my racket grip, so that I could know if it was too big or too small.

    I remember you took my hand and quickly measured one of your fingers against one of mine. Then you put your fingers round the racket handle to measure it's size. You said that I had exactly the right size of grip for my hand.

    You did this so quickly I could not see exactly what happened. Clearly you have been asked this many times before, and you have developed an efficient method for checking whether a player's grip is the right size.

    I wonder if it is possible for a player to learn this method? Or does it rely too much on your experience?

    It would be interesting to learn how you make this check. As a coach, I would benefit from being able to answer such questions for other players. At the moment, I can only make a rough guess.

    Thanks,
    Mike Hopley
     
  20. Benasp

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    me i'm sold to LJB grip since 2 week and my smash are 110% better, i just changed the grip i would like to practice the other thing he mentioned in the power smash video
     

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